Lost Respect for a High Rank Guild or Two... - Page 4 - Guild Wars Forums

vdz · Apr 03, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31

why do they need money anyway?!? I thought pvp players hate playing pve.
You don???t need money for pvp unless you want to look nice and i thought they didn???t care about that either. What ever :S

Still sad tho but hey its their own decision and people should know they wont get an invite from top ladder guilds like that.

Jim1 · Apr 03, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

tbh the biggest thing wrong in what conzpi is doing, is that he sells too low. Prices used to be 300k for membership, and now with gold cape it's 100k? Makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by vdz

why do they need money anyway?!? I thought pvp players hate playing pve.
You don’t need money for pvp unless you want to look nice and i thought they didn’t care about that either.

That's the thing. You can't get ingame money playing GvG, but it takes so much time to play, you don't have time to farm etc. This is an alternative for getting money. I don't care about ig gold (PvP characters are superior, so no reason to bother), but if someone wants to play with shiny items, why not let them? It's nothing away from you.

Arkantos · Apr 03, 2007, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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why do they need money anyway?!? I thought pvp players hate playing pve.
You don???t need money for pvp unless you want to look nice and i thought they didn???t care about that either. What ever :S

1) Sigils
2) Req 7 items
3) PvE Weapons/Armor

linh · Apr 03, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Wtf is wrong with people saying about "Disrespect, shame, dishonor.." ?
I find nothing wrong or lame in what they are doing. And why do you care about what do they do with their gold ? Of course they are hardcore pvpers and spend more time on pvp, but does it mean they can't play pve, can't have shiny 15k armor with shiny item ? "I belive they are pvper, they hate pve, they don't care about vanity items, armor, and gold.." That's just your assumption and pretty funny.

You said they should play HA and earn gold there "to be more honorable", that's just silly. GvG is serious pvp too ( and higher level than HA), winning that is bigger achievement than winning HA. It doesn't have in game reward like Sigil or gold item, so they use their GvG achievement to earn gold. It is same "honorable" as selling sigils if that is what you mean.

And others care about noobs with gold/silver cape : So you care about their guild tag, their gold/silver cape to rate them good or not ? I think people with those gold/silver cape can only show their "leetness" to PvE'ers, because any PvP'er who watch obs often will remember pretty good true members of top guilds, really.

conzpi · Apr 03, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by vdz

If you like the shiny stuff that much and you feel its important then i think ur playing the wrong part of the game. I mean who cares how you look in PvP, skills will make you look "rich". I understand that req.7 items are favourable because of the att ye.
But shiny shields, and nice looking armors, thats fun when ur playing pve and everybody gathers around your character in outposts and its fun to look at yourself in your tide armor in different cinematics.....
But hey i understand, i like to have the nicest looking stuff there is around. thats why im playing pve and not pvp (dont like it either)

Please don't pretend to know what pvp players think. If I want to look shiny - let me, and dont say I can't and that I play the 'wrong part of the game' wtf?

Nkah Sennyt · Apr 03, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06

@ Conzpi, re: last page.

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A question to those guilds who are "selling membership" [as I've seen a couple of you in the thread] - do you actually let the buyers play with you guys [ha/ta/gvg etc], or is it just for a pretty cape for awhile? Because, imo, showing off a shiny cape and a chance to play with incredibly skilled pvpers are two different things that could attract two seperate groups of buyers. Just curious.

conzpi · Apr 03, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by Nkah Sennyt

@ Conzpi, re: last page.

here are the slightly comedic rules from announcement

Rules: DON'T talk on alliance chat, DON'T whisper to the officers besides the one who recruited you, DON'T visit alliance guild halls(EVER!). Failing to comply with the rules will result in kick (Msg questions to your recruitment officers) members=no GVG (with us)

they can gvg/ha/ra/ta whatever with eachother if they want, we rarely (core team) do anything but gvg

Billiard · Apr 03, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

Please no trolling or flamming. I think this topic is of interest to folks, but I don't want to see anymore of this PvE vs PvP debate.

Zamochit · Apr 04, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27

I honestly do not see any problem with what they are doing. The effort involved in farming in pve for the sums of money we are talking about is totally negligable, compared to the effort involved in attaining the level these people have within PvP. Anyone with half an ounce of sense will recognise that this is a photo oppertunity, a chance to grab some screenshots of your character in a trimmed cape, and maybe the privalege of walking around in it for a while. Providing that the buyer is aware that this is what they are purchasing, and are happy with the arrangement then there really isnt any problem with this at all. All that these guilds have done is found a way to make in game money without PvE'ing or HAing for it.

I would be more concerned about the guilds reputation in terms of what these new "members" are saying and doing in game than anything else for the period of time that they are wearing your cape and tag; and how this effects the reputation the guild(s). That is of course assuming the guild(s) in question are bothered by such things.

Its perfectly legitimate imo.

xshadowwolfx · Apr 04, 2007, 05:03 AM // 05:03

Yes its perfectly fine and all and yes they can do whatever they want, but I have lost respect for guilds who sell their honor.

Of course it should be allowed though, its fine and well within user agreements.

vandree · Apr 04, 2007, 08:27 AM // 08:27

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Originally Posted by holymasamune

I don't see how a clown running around will destroy their reputation. The reputation of the core players will always be fairly good and recognized as one of the best GW players, and the reputation of having that cape is virtually nonexistent to the people that know you can buy the cape trims. All this does it hurt the overall community with cape trims, since it's less likely to be respected because of the fact that most people who aren't up to date on which guilds are selling invites are now suspicious whether or not you bought the trim.

Oh the respect for the core players will always be there from the semi to hardcore pvpers (gvgers) or observer mode junkies. But to the rest of the community (pve and casual pvpers) it's the tag and cape that will be notice and noted if some "clown" decides to rant and rave in some full random district. When you wear a cape you play a role in the guilds reputation and the overall apperence of the guild in the eyes of the community.

added this side note off topic: Thinking about your post put a funny image in my head of one of the core players on a championship team having to defend the fact that he earned his gold trim to a bunch of pve elitists in DoA or ToA because they believe him to have bought his well earned cape. That would be an intresting converstion to read.

mcsumo · Apr 04, 2007, 08:56 AM // 08:56

All those who are saying how perfectly ok this is, not against the EULA yadda yadda yadda, are missing the point.

Just because something is legal does not mean it isn't morally wrong. It is against the spirit of the game, which these high ranking guilds are meant to epitomise.

For many people who PvP the goal of reaching that level and one day getting the gold trim themselves, is/was a driving force behind their desire to keep playing and improve.

Only a very few of us GW players bother to post in threads like this, so overall, maybe thousands of players could now be disillusioned with GW as a direct result of this unsavoury practice. There are plenty of other games that might get their attention.

I mean seriously everyone starts crying about GW2 news 'killing the game' but that is years down the line. Right here right now we have a few elitist 'types' (for want of a better word

) spoiling the goal that many aspire to.

Enjoy your gold while you can boys since IMHO you have directly influenced the decline of this game.

ayame ftw · Apr 04, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by vandree

added this side note off topic: Thinking about your post put a funny image in my head of one of the core players on a championship team having to defend the fact that he earned his gold trim to a bunch of pve elitists in DoA or ToA because they believe him to have bought his well earned cape. That would be an intresting converstion to read.

Such a conversation will never take place, because what ever these "pve elitists" think about it, he doesn???t care. He him self knows that he got that cape, and he doesn???t need to prove to some random w/mo that he got that gold trim. All the people that matter know he got that trim.
(same goes for the majority of the pve'ers that don???t care about the opinions of pvp players...)

A lot of u think that a person with a gold trim is a very good pvp player??? but if u see some1 with a tormented shield do u think he is a leet pve player?
Well I sure don???t think so??? because he could have gotten all the gems without even stepping 1 foot into Doa??? same goes for all the ???1337??? pve items.

So my point is??? selling rare pve items???selling rare pvp ???items?????? are more or less the same
And the person that is using those "items" doenst tell anything about that persons pve/pvp skills

Superdarth · Apr 04, 2007, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by ayame ftw

Such a conversation will never take place, because what ever these "pve elitists" think about it, he doesn???t care. He him self knows that he got that cape, and he doesn???t need to prove to some random w/mo that he got that gold trim. All the people that matter know he got that trim.
(same goes for the majority of the pve'ers that don???t care about the opinions of pvp players...)

If they didnt care about what otherts think whats the use of the cape?The reason people want uber gear is to loot elite and also get respect for it, otherwise it wouldnt be worth the effort would it?

I think that if someone wore a gold cape and noone would think he is skilled he would be pretty pissed off about it, working so hard and then getting that in return.

But, then again if you want to be seen as skilled you shouldnt sell invites.

Money or fame, wich one do YOU choose?

ayame ftw · Apr 04, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41

u have to notice that i say he doenst care what PVE elitist think.
if it would be a pvp player with the same amount of xp in high lvl pvp it would matther...

i dont play pvp to prove to other people im "good" at it... and I don???t need a cape to show it.
the cape, respect, glory... its all bonus. It is not a main goal. But i guess thats for everyone different.

I have to admit that ranking a shit talker feels damn good??? eat my tiger u fool

darkknightdominator · Apr 04, 2007, 12:41 PM // 12:41

I think the easiest way to settle this arguement would be for Anet to do what all the other guilds have been doing. Set up a monthly charge for guilds to get a Gold Trim. Say...£5.99 A month?

moriz · Apr 04, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09

until anet gives the winning team of every gvg gold for winning, i see no problem for top guilds to sell membership like this (hint for anet: do it).

Sofonisba · Apr 04, 2007, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by ayame ftw

I have to admit that ranking a shit talker feels damn good??? eat my tiger u fool

Wouldn't it be a fun thing if you could buy and sell emotes as easily as a cape? I mean, GvGers get trim, HoHers get fame, PvErs get pretty stuff, it should all be interchangeable.

That would be cool.

the_jos · Apr 04, 2007, 05:00 PM // 17:00

I was wondering why people from [eF] were selling membership in HA.
I'm an officer in my guild, but only send one invitation out since I am.
I have asked a few people if they are interested, but they have good guilds themself. I try to be carefull with my invitations, since I want to be reasonably sure someone will fit in the guild. Other people will stay on friends list, but never get an invitation from me.

This does not differ that much from what [eF] is doing, only they will invite people in their guild (for money).
But the core and alliance are forbidden areas, according to conzpi.
So they just created some kind of 'friends' list that also has the benefits of chatting with each other. And you get a nice shiney cape. All for 100K / month. Those people are not really in the guild, that's the core and alliance.

I don't think that's all bad. But it could impact the name of the guild.
If they don't care about that, it's quite ok.
I know the individuals that won the tournament will be known in the PvP community, which is probably enough for them.

Master Ketsu · Apr 04, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Actually, the fact that they kick the person earns my respect back. People who want to pay their way into a good guild without being good themselves have a lesson to learn. If you want to join a high ranked guild, pm a member with your stats and ask to try out. Prove your worthy. Farmertards who think skill can be bought deserve to be exploited like this.

Its their guild, they earned it. They have the right to sell invites and kick them.

Apr 04, 2007, 04:27 AM // 04:27	#69
Zamochit Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jul 2006 Profession: N/A	I honestly do not see any problem with what they are doing. The effort involved in farming in pve for the sums of money we are talking about is totally negligable, compared to the effort involved in attaining the level these people have within PvP. Anyone with half an ounce of sense will recognise that this is a photo oppertunity, a chance to grab some screenshots of your character in a trimmed cape, and maybe the privalege of walking around in it for a while. Providing that the buyer is aware that this is what they are purchasing, and are happy with the arrangement then there really isnt any problem with this at all. All that these guilds have done is found a way to make in game money without PvE'ing or HAing for it. I would be more concerned about the guilds reputation in terms of what these new "members" are saying and doing in game than anything else for the period of time that they are wearing your cape and tag; and how this effects the reputation the guild(s). That is of course assuming the guild(s) in question are bothered by such things. Its perfectly legitimate imo. Last edited by Zamochit; Apr 04, 2007 at 04:33 AM // 04:33..

Apr 04, 2007, 08:56 AM // 08:56	#72
mcsumo Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2006 Guild: SOS Profession: R/	All those who are saying how perfectly ok this is, not against the EULA yadda yadda yadda, are missing the point. Just because something is legal does not mean it isn't morally wrong. It is against the spirit of the game, which these high ranking guilds are meant to epitomise. For many people who PvP the goal of reaching that level and one day getting the gold trim themselves, is/was a driving force behind their desire to keep playing and improve. Only a very few of us GW players bother to post in threads like this, so overall, maybe thousands of players could now be disillusioned with GW as a direct result of this unsavoury practice. There are plenty of other games that might get their attention. I mean seriously everyone starts crying about GW2 news 'killing the game' but that is years down the line. Right here right now we have a few elitist 'types' (for want of a better word ) spoiling the goal that many aspire to. Enjoy your gold while you can boys since IMHO you have directly influenced the decline of this game. Last edited by mcsumo; Apr 04, 2007 at 02:14 PM // 14:14..

Apr 04, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41	#75
ayame ftw Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Belgium Guild: Forgot the Ghostlyyyyy Profession: R/	u have to notice that i say he doenst care what PVE elitist think. if it would be a pvp player with the same amount of xp in high lvl pvp it would matther... i dont play pvp to prove to other people im "good" at it... and I don???t need a cape to show it. the cape, respect, glory... its all bonus. It is not a main goal. But i guess thats for everyone different. I have to admit that ranking a shit talker feels damn good??? eat my tiger u fool Last edited by ayame ftw; Apr 04, 2007 at 10:45 AM // 10:45..

Apr 04, 2007, 06:19 PM // 18:19	#80
Master Ketsu Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2006 Location: middle of nowhere Guild: Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy] Profession: R/	Actually, the fact that they kick the person earns my respect back. People who want to pay their way into a good guild without being good themselves have a lesson to learn. If you want to join a high ranked guild, pm a member with your stats and ask to try out. Prove your worthy. Farmertards who think skill can be bought deserve to be exploited like this. Its their guild, they earned it. They have the right to sell invites and kick them. Last edited by Master Ketsu; Apr 04, 2007 at 06:22 PM // 18:22..

Apr 03, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31	#61
vdz Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Nov 2006	why do they need money anyway?!? I thought pvp players hate playing pve. You don???t need money for pvp unless you want to look nice and i thought they didn???t care about that either. What ever :S Still sad tho but hey its their own decision and people should know they wont get an invite from top ladder guilds like that.

Apr 03, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50	#64
linh Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jul 2005 Profession: Mo/	Wtf is wrong with people saying about "Disrespect, shame, dishonor.." ? I find nothing wrong or lame in what they are doing. And why do you care about what do they do with their gold ? Of course they are hardcore pvpers and spend more time on pvp, but does it mean they can't play pve, can't have shiny 15k armor with shiny item ? "I belive they are pvper, they hate pve, they don't care about vanity items, armor, and gold.." That's just your assumption and pretty funny. You said they should play HA and earn gold there "to be more honorable", that's just silly. GvG is serious pvp too ( and higher level than HA), winning that is bigger achievement than winning HA. It doesn't have in game reward like Sigil or gold item, so they use their GvG achievement to earn gold. It is same "honorable" as selling sigils if that is what you mean. And others care about noobs with gold/silver cape : So you care about their guild tag, their gold/silver cape to rate them good or not ? I think people with those gold/silver cape can only show their "leetness" to PvE'ers, because any PvP'er who watch obs often will remember pretty good true members of top guilds, really.

Apr 03, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21	#68
Billiard Doctor of Philosophy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pacific Northwest Guild: Team Love [kiSu] www.teamlove.us	Please no trolling or flamming. I think this topic is of interest to folks, but I don't want to see anymore of this PvE vs PvP debate.

Apr 04, 2007, 05:03 AM // 05:03	#70
xshadowwolfx Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2006 Location: California \| Ascalon Profession: Mo/	Yes its perfectly fine and all and yes they can do whatever they want, but I have lost respect for guilds who sell their honor. Of course it should be allowed though, its fine and well within user agreements.

Apr 04, 2007, 12:41 PM // 12:41	#76
darkknightdominator Academy Page Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Scotland Guild: Greedy Monkeys Profession: E/Mo	I think the easiest way to settle this arguement would be for Anet to do what all the other guilds have been doing. Set up a monthly charge for guilds to get a Gold Trim. Say...£5.99 A month?

Apr 04, 2007, 02:09 PM // 14:09	#77
moriz ??ber t??k-n??sh'??n Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Canada Profession: R/	until anet gives the winning team of every gvg gold for winning, i see no problem for top guilds to sell membership like this (hint for anet: do it).

Apr 04, 2007, 05:00 PM // 17:00	#79
the_jos Forge Runner Join Date: Jun 2006 Guild: Hard Mode Legion [HML] Profession: N/	I was wondering why people from [eF] were selling membership in HA. I'm an officer in my guild, but only send one invitation out since I am. I have asked a few people if they are interested, but they have good guilds themself. I try to be carefull with my invitations, since I want to be reasonably sure someone will fit in the guild. Other people will stay on friends list, but never get an invitation from me. This does not differ that much from what [eF] is doing, only they will invite people in their guild (for money). But the core and alliance are forbidden areas, according to conzpi. So they just created some kind of 'friends' list that also has the benefits of chatting with each other. And you get a nice shiney cape. All for 100K / month. Those people are not really in the guild, that's the core and alliance. I don't think that's all bad. But it could impact the name of the guild. If they don't care about that, it's quite ok. I know the individuals that won the tournament will be known in the PvP community, which is probably enough for them.